UPDATED: Few Comeback Kids in the House of Commons
April 15th, 2012 | 21 Comments
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You can almost never go home again; not if your home is the House of Commons at least. In fact, defeated MPs can rarely reprise their winning vote-shares in subsequent comeback attempts, raising the question of whether their losing vote-share can really be considered a party baseline for next time around. Seat projectors beware.
Of 33 Members of Parliament who were defeated and then attempted one or more immediate comebacks in the same riding over the past dozen years or so, only two [CXN: three] of them — John Duncan in Vancouver Island North, BC, Peggy Nash in Parkdale–High Park, ON and Françoise Boivin in Gatineau, QC — were able to be re-elected after their defeat, and in the latter case it took a change of party and two tries to do so.
Of the other 30, eight of them were able to remain within 2.5 percentage points or better of their vote share in defeat, while the other 22 experience an accelerated further drop in support when trying to stage a comeback.
Mind you, even at that, the former MPs usually did as well or better than their successors went on to do in the same ridings later on (dashed line segments in the chart below).
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This whole topic became of interest to me, given how many former Liberal MPs had been seeking the nomination in their former ridings during last year's federal election. At the time I wondered whether they would have some cachet at the ballot box to go along with their name recognition and experience as a candidate, or whether the fact of their defeat would put them at a disadvantage relative to what a new candidate might have been able to hope for, or whether again they would just rise or fall with the bigger cycles of changing party support. (I've charted the Liberal Party's national vote-share from 2004 – 2011 in black, by way of a benchmark.)
A few notes on the dataset collected for this experiment:
- It omitted former MPs who returned after a big break in their service. This would include folks like Ralph Goodale, Bob Rae (though he was never defeated federally) and Jack Harris who had become provincial party leaders in the meanwhile, or Jean-Pierre Blackburn and Rob Nicholson who had been defeated along with most of the Mulroney government caucus in 1993, but were re-elected in a different era with the Harper Conservatives over a decade later. Of those not successful in this category were names such as Jim Karpoff, Ian Waddell, Derek Wells, and Martin Cauchon.
- It also omitted former MPs who tried to run in a different riding, such as Gordon Earle, Peter Mancini, Svend Robinson, David Pratt, Paul Forseth and Paul Zed [thanks to a reader for that name as well!], for whom the vote shares would not have been comparable. Then there were a couple of long-ago former MPs who agreed to show the flag in different, completely no-hoper ridings as a service to the party, such as Ray Skelly or John Parry. And of course, Joe Clark came back to take the leadership of the PC Party running in a Calgary riding rather than his former seat of Yellowhead.
- [UPDATE:] It also omitted MP's whose defeat and rebirth pre-dated the 2003 representation order, which was the boundary I set for this exercise. However, one of those – Liberal M.P. Geoff Regan from Halifax West, NS – remains in the House of Commons today. Thanks to another reader for reminding me to mention him.
Amongst the 33 former MPs included in the study, a few did not completely match the observed pattern (lines are shown in bold), or had some interesting sidenotes:
- As mentioned, former Gatineau, QC Liberal M.P. Françoise Boivin staged two comeback attempts as a New Democrat, the first one suffering in all likelihood from a belief that she was not the better tactical choice to defeat the Bloc incumbent, while the second was clearly the beneficiary of an extra burst of wind in her sails from the orange wave.
- Parkdale–High Park, ON NDP M.P. Peggy Nash achieved a higher vote-share in her comeback attempt than she did in her previous winning election.
- Former Regina–Qu'Appelle, SK NDP M.P. Lorne Nystrom had already been successful in an earlier comeback bid, when he switched ridings after being defeated in Yorkton–Melville, SK.
- Former Haldimand–Norfolk, ON Liberal M.P. Bob Speller tried two comebacks, in 2006 and 2011, but he skipped the 2008 general election. Including Eric Hoskins, the 2008 candidate in that riding, the Liberal vote-share showed a straight decline over the entire time period. Susan Whelan also showed a further decline on her second comeback attempt in Essex, ON, though the Liberal party vote tanked much further after her departure.
- Former Saskatoon–Rosetown–Biggar, SK NDP M.P. Dennis Gruending actually won a higher vote-share on the occasion of his defeat than he had when winning the earlier by-election, but never varied outside a band of about 5 percentage points in that very competitive riding.
- Conservative M.P. John Duncan did him one better (
not shown on the chart yet, as I'm updating remotely; chart now updated as well), by increasing his vote share through both a defeat and subsequent comeback in Vancouver Island North! - On the other hand, both former Conservative M.P. Fabian Manning in Avalon, NL and former Liberal M.P. Denis Paradis were able to improve on their losing vote-shares, though in Paradis' case it fell apart for him again on his next comeback attempt.
- While successors generally failed to hold the former MPs' vote-shares, to a greater or lesser extent, in a couple of cases they improved on it — slightly in the case of Dennis Gruending's sister-in-law Nettie Wiebe in Saskatoon–Rosetown–Biggar, SK, or by over 50% in the case of Hélène Scherrer's replacement in Louis-Hébert, QC, the businessman Jean Beaupré.
So, what does this all mean? Are we saying that new candidates might have fared better than returning defeated candidates? Well, we'll have to draw a second sample of ridings lost by the party where they picked a different candidate next time out, and compare the outcomes to be sure of the answer there. The situation is further complicated by the fact that most of the cases found here were former Liberal MPs in a time of general decline for their party's fortunes.
But the major point I want to make — which I hope is made sufficiently clear from this dataset — is that, when it comes to seat projections or other calculations for example for pre-electoral coalition negotiations or so-called strategic voting recommendations, the baseline party vote in a riding just lost by that party should be considered to start out in most cases considerably *below* where it finished up at the time the MP was defeated.
For example, John Cannis was defeated as the Liberal M.P. in Scarborough Centre, ON last May. Even if he were the candidate again in 2015, and if past trends hold in the future, we should not expect the Liberal base vote in that riding to be starting at the 31.7% he got last May. Particularly not if the NDP, as we might expect, would be planning to recruit a strong candidate early, and run a full campaign in 2015 (as opposed to the 13% of the limit they spent in 2011). Part of the Cannis 31.7% would have been his incumbency value, and the value of the Liberals having been seen as the likely alternative party. And, as we've seen, that incumbency value doesn't carry forward to comeback efforts. Not to mention that the value of "incumbency" itself could come into question on redistributed riding boundaries.
Indeed in many of the ridings where Liberal incumbents were defeated in 2008, the NDP had already moved into second place last May, such as Saint John, NB, Fredericton, NB, Miramichi, NB, Brant, ON, London West, ON [CXN: a very very close third in this one; thanks to a reader for pointing out my boo-boo], Huron–Bruce, ON, Kenora, ON, Desnethé–Missinippi–Churchill River, SK and West Vancouver–Sunshine Coast–Sea to Sky Country, BC.
Thus I expect we'll see the NDP making early moves to consolidate their position as the presumptive alternative party in a number of ridings where Liberal incumbents were defeated in 2011, including the successor riding to Scarborough Centre, but also successors to the Moncton area seat, Madawaska–Restigouche, NB, Bramalea–Gore-Malton, ON, Winnipeg South Centre, MB, Vancouver South, BC, Yukon, and perhaps even some new targets in Peel Region of Ontario such as Mississauga East-Cooksville or Brampton Springdale.
We've seen the pattern whereby seat projection methodologies can tend to overpredict seats for parties in decline. Anyone making seat projections now (to what purpose, we might ask, but that ship sailed long ago) would do well to discount party base votes in seats they lost in the last election, by an appropriate factor.
Next time we'll take a general look at seats lost by the various parties, as part of a series of blogposts leading up to the first anniversary of the May 2nd election, and the release of the first Canadian Election Study reports at the Canadian Political Science Association meeting in Edmonton this June.
In the meanwhile, did I miss any former MPs who tried a return to office recently? If so, let us know in the comments section.
Vote Shares of Defeated Incumbents Returning in the Same Riding, Last Elected 1999 By-election or later
| MP / Cand Riding, Prov |
Last Elxn Won |
Elxn Defeated |
Comeback(s) | Successor | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Try (1) | Try (2) | |||||||||
| Rank | Pct | Rank | Pct | Rank | Pct | Rank | Pct | Rank | Pct | |
| LIMOGES, Rick Windsor – Tecumseh, ON |
1999 By | 2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 43.6% | 2 | 39.9% | 2 | 33.9% | 2 | 26.4% | |||
| GRUENDING, Dennis Saskatoon – Rosetown – Biggar, SK |
1999 By | 2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 40.6% | 2 | 41.4% | 2 | 36.2% | 2 | 39.0% | |||
| SCHERRER, Hélène Louis-Hébert, QC |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 41.1% | 2 | 34.0% | 3 | 15.0% | 3 | 23.6% | |||
| HARVEY, André Chicoutimi – Le Fjord, QC |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 48.2% | 2 | 43.4% | 2 | 29.2% | 3 | 13.4% | |||
| PRICE, David Compton – Stanstead, QC |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 46.6% | 2 | 36.0% | 3 | 22.3% | 2 | 22.5% | |||
| ST-JACQUES, Diane Shefford, QC |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 45.9% | 2 | 39.7% | 3 | 23.4% | 2 | 21.4% | |||
| PERIC, Janko Cambridge, ON |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 46.6% | 2 | 36.7% | 2 | 33.6% | 2 | 23.4% | |||
| SPELLER, Bob Haldimand – Norfolk, ON |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 46.8% | 2 | 38.8% | 2 | 34.3% | 2 | 24.9% | |||
| WHELAN, Susan Essex, ON |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||
| 1 | 44.3% | 2 | 35.0% | 2 | 34.1% | 2 | 29.1% | 3 | 14.2% | |
| NYSTROM, Lorne Regina – Qu'Appelle, SK |
2000 GE | 2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 41.3% | 2 | 32.7% | 2 | 32.4% | 2 | 32.1% | |||
| BARRETTE, Gilbert Abitibi – Témiscamingue, QC |
2003 By | 2004 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 57.0% | 2 | 31.0% | 2 | 20.7% | 5.9% | ||||
| PARADIS, Denis Brome – Missisquoi, QC |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 42.1% | 2 | 28.0% | 2 | 32.8% | 2 | 22.1% | |||
| BAKOPANOS, Eleni Ahuntsic, QC |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 43.8% | 2 | 37.2% | 2 | 38.6% | 3 | 27.9% | |||
| GODBOUT, Marc Ottawa – Orléans, ON |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 45.0% | 2 | 39.1% | 2 | 38.8% | 38.4% | ||||
| MACKLIN, Paul Northumberland – Quinte West, ON |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 39.9% | 2 | 36.0% | 2 | 28.6% | 2 | 21.0% | |||
| TORSNEY, Paddy Burlington, ON |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 45.0% | 2 | 39.1% | 2 | 33.3% | 2 | 23.3% | |||
| LASTEWKA, Walt St. Catharines, ON |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 40.4% | 2 | 37.0% | 2 | 28.6% | 3 | 20.6% | |||
| BOIVIN, Françoise Gatineau, QC |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | ||||||
| 1 | 42.1% | 2 | 31.3% | 2 | 26.1% | 1 | 61.8% | |||
| DUNCAN, John Vancouver Island North, BC |
2004 GE | 2006 GE | 2008 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 35.4% | 2 | 40.6% | 1 | 45.8% | |||||
| THIBAULT, Robert West Nova, NS |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 39.2% | 2 | 36.1% | 2 | 36.4% | |||||
| TEMELKOVSKI, Lui Oak Ridges – Markham, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 47.1% | 2 | 41.5% | 2 | 28.3% | |||||
| ALGHABRA, Omar Mississauga – Erindale, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 44.8% | 2 | 42.0% | 2 | 33.9% | |||||
| REDMAN, Karen Kitchener Centre, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 43.3% | 2 | 35.9% | 2 | 31.3% | |||||
| TELEGDI, Andrew Kitchener – Waterloo, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 46.9% | 2 | 36.0% | 2 | 37.6% | |||||
| MALONEY, John Welland, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 35.5% | 3 | 27.9% | 3 | 14.0% | |||||
| ST. AMAND, Lloyd Brant, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 36.9% | 2 | 33.1% | 3 | 18.8% | |||||
| BOSHCOFF, Ken Thunder Bay – Rainy River, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 35.1% | 2 | 32.3% | 3 | 21.7% | |||||
| VALLEY, Roger Kenora, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 36.5% | 2 | 31.6% | 3 | 21.9% | |||||
| SIMARD, Raymond Saint Boniface, MB |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 38.6% | 2 | 35.1% | 2 | 30.8% | |||||
| NASH, Peggy Parkdale – High Park, ON |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 40.4% | 2 | 36.0% | 1 | 47.2% | |||||
| BARBOT, Vivian Papineau, QC |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 40.7% | 2 | 38.7% | 3 | 25.9% | |||||
| LUSSIER, Marcel Brossard – La Prairie, QC |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 37.2% | 2 | 32.5% | 3 | 17.5% | |||||
| MANNING, Fabian Avalon, NL |
2006 GE | 2008 GE | 2011 GE | |||||||
| 1 | 51.6% | 2 | 35.2% | 2 | 40.5% | |||||

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